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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s a university?</title>
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	<description>A professor of English describes university life. Aim: To change things.</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this student is largely right.  What he&#039;s missing, as you say, is the context and history of universities vs. trade schools, and the fact that the former is not for him.

Oversimplifying, you can divide people into the curious, life-of-the-mind sort--never more than 10% of the population--and the incurious, like this author.  The incurious belong in trade schools, not universities, both because they shouldn&#039;t have to spend money on an education they don&#039;t want and because they ruin the classes for the curious.

Unfortunately, there&#039;s been a long process of school inflation, by which all the vocational schools and normal schools have renamed themselves universities.  (Paul Fussell&#039;s book &quot;Class&quot; has a few very memorable pages on this topic.)  The root problem is that prospective employers (and other social forces) create a huge incentive for the incurious to masquerade as the curious, which they do by getting &quot;university&quot; degrees.  This causes suffering for the curious and incurious alike--the former because they take classes with a predominance of the incurious, and the latter because, like this author, they waste time and money on classes they don&#039;t want and probably won&#039;t benefit from.  (The teachers suffer too, of course.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this student is largely right.  What he&#8217;s missing, as you say, is the context and history of universities vs. trade schools, and the fact that the former is not for him.</p>
<p>Oversimplifying, you can divide people into the curious, life-of-the-mind sort&#8211;never more than 10% of the population&#8211;and the incurious, like this author.  The incurious belong in trade schools, not universities, both because they shouldn&#8217;t have to spend money on an education they don&#8217;t want and because they ruin the classes for the curious.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there&#8217;s been a long process of school inflation, by which all the vocational schools and normal schools have renamed themselves universities.  (Paul Fussell&#8217;s book &#8220;Class&#8221; has a few very memorable pages on this topic.)  The root problem is that prospective employers (and other social forces) create a huge incentive for the incurious to masquerade as the curious, which they do by getting &#8220;university&#8221; degrees.  This causes suffering for the curious and incurious alike&#8211;the former because they take classes with a predominance of the incurious, and the latter because, like this author, they waste time and money on classes they don&#8217;t want and probably won&#8217;t benefit from.  (The teachers suffer too, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Punch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Punch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument about the core curriculum is not the same as Josipovici&#039;s, though.  The Oxbridge model prevalent in Britain has never devoted an extra year to a core curriculum, and Josipovici does not argue that it should. Both bear on the value of the liberal arts, but the structural/curricular issues are quite different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument about the core curriculum is not the same as Josipovici&#8217;s, though.  The Oxbridge model prevalent in Britain has never devoted an extra year to a core curriculum, and Josipovici does not argue that it should. Both bear on the value of the liberal arts, but the structural/curricular issues are quite different.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Slouka essay is very good. I keep meaning to blog about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Slouka essay is very good. I keep meaning to blog about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel S. Goldberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel S. Goldberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erratum: The author&#039;s name is Mark, not Michael Slouka.  (I was thinking, ironically, of Michael Oakeshott).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erratum: The author&#8217;s name is Mark, not Michael Slouka.  (I was thinking, ironically, of Michael Oakeshott).</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel S. Goldberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel S. Goldberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UD,

In this vein, I thought you might be interested in Michael Slouka&#039;s recent &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/09/0082640&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;essay&lt;/a&gt; in Harper&#039;s, if you have not seen it yet.

I comment &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.medhumanities.org/2010/01/on-dehumanization.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.medhumanities.org/2010/01/on-the-dehumanization-of-education-part-ii-of-ii.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UD,</p>
<p>In this vein, I thought you might be interested in Michael Slouka&#8217;s recent <a href="http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/09/0082640" rel="nofollow">essay</a> in Harper&#8217;s, if you have not seen it yet.</p>
<p>I comment <a href="http://www.medhumanities.org/2010/01/on-dehumanization.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.medhumanities.org/2010/01/on-the-dehumanization-of-education-part-ii-of-ii.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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