‘While permitless carrying may have some effect on deterring offences like robberies, it is inadequate in the face of grievance and politically driven violence, said Brandon del Pozo, an assistant professor of medicine and health policy at Brown University.
“The deterrence effect of concealed carry only applies to rational actors. And you get to a point in political extremism where you’re not dealing with rational people,” he said...
[C]ities and states where many residents are armed in public can fail to account for the large presence of concealed guns and to plan to provide an accompanying level of screening.
“In places like Utah where there’s going to be a lot of guns in circulation, you have to decide when you’re going to carve out spaces where people are screened for guns,” [del Pozo] added.
“And if you’re a small police department, it’s hard to secure something outdoors. But if you’re coming to a provocative political rally, you need to be screened.”’
So notes The Guardian, which then quotes Hasan Piker:
“A bulletproof vest would not have saved Charlie Kirk. Security did not save Charlie Kirk. The only thing that could have potentially saved Charlie Kirk from getting shot in the neck was reasonable gun control.”
Then it quotes Josh Sugarmann:
Josh Sugarmann, executive of the Violence Policy Center which has tracked the proliferation of the sniper subculture, sees its growth as part of the increasing militarization of the gun industry and its civilian offerings. “No one notices or seems to care that there is an industry actively designing and building the weapons that enable shooters to more effectively commit assassinations and mass shootings,” he said.
“The gun industry is designing, building and promoting rifles that are effective at much longer range with the goal of ‘one shot, one kill’.”
Open carry laws make it particularly hard to secure public events because the visible presence of firearms creates a dangerous ambiguity. Law enforcement can’t easily distinguish between a person legally carrying a weapon and someone preparing to commit violence. This ambiguity slows down response times, heightens the risk of mistakes and can turn routine security situations into potential crises. It unequivocally makes it harder for law enforcement to do their jobs, and it puts them at greater risk of harm.
… [V]isible guns at gatherings can intimidate participants, escalate tensions and even deter people from attending altogether, undermining the safety and openness of community spaces — especially when open carry can be, and has been, used by extremist groups as a tool to intimidate others at protests or public gatherings.
[Utah] students as young as 18 can openly carry guns on college campuses … and the state also allows concealed weapons on Utah’s campuses.
[M]ost Americans — including conservatives and gun owners — actually feel less safe when more people are carrying guns in public. [The gun] industry has a singular solution for this fear: Just buy a gun.
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Abundant, visible, guns make the assassin’s job easier.
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‘[A]sk yourself what somebody was doing carrying a large hunter’s rifle around a university campus.
… Did Utah’s weak gun laws kill Charlie Kirk? We can’t say that. But weak gun laws probably made his death more likely. Kirk’s admirers will do his legacy no favors if they continue to oppose gun control. Better that they join the rest of us in working to prevent the next Charlie Kirk from meeting the same awful fate.’
… would I guess be a good poetic form of address to UD’s beloved country at the moment (the phrase titles a 1925 poem by Robinson Jeffers). The Murder of Kirk becomes a singular, symbolizing, culmination, an event that rises above the murk of our bloody country’s bloody every day. Give me back my son; he was only thirty-one wails Kirk’s father at his memorial site, a one-man tragic chorus that cuts through all of it.
Our streets are pocked with juvenile assassins, skinny boys with fat rifles, schizophrenics with steady fingers. Our bottomless gun-greed means we won’t be saving ourselves anytime soon – not under a president who won election based on his own bullet wound. Thus America makes choosing our leaders easy: Not the ones with the fatal neck wounds; the ones with the non-lethal neck wounds.
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No parades, don’t you see; no sunny tented gatherings of the sort that killed Kirk. We Americans must crawl over blood and glass into bunkers while keeping an eye on the roofs and windows from which the Kirk killer and Stephen Paddock and the rest of them aim at us. We must eye one another as potential shooters.
Democracy cannot really survive the absolute death of the public realm, a realm as imperiled by our insane willingness to let incredibly dangerous people roam the streets as it is by our gun-greed. Americans continue to recite the NRA’s mentally retarded litany – “The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun.” – even though Utah Valley University is an open carry campus, meaning plenty of people in Kirk’s audience were armed. Lots of good guys with guns. But hey turns out they can’t do anything about a sharpshooter on a roof! Huh!
What a nice idea. Some gun laws.
Never a dull moment when every insane dipshit in the country has a gun. Don’t know yet whether Kirk, a prominent conservative sitting on a stage waiting to give a speech and then slumped over and bleeding from a neck wound, will survive. Or whether, if he does survive, the bullet has damaged his brain.
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Active shooter, Colorado high school. I think we’re almost up to one a day.
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Kirk has died.
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Trump faced two assassination attempts in 2024. Last December, a shooter targeted and killed the head of United Healthcare. Pennsylvania governor Josh Shapiro’s home was burned in an arson attack in April. Judges and elected officials report increased threats and harassment. Several instances of violence have stemmed from opposition to the Gaza war. In June, a man dressed as a police officer shot and killed a Democratic Minnesota state lawmaker and her husband, and wounded another state lawmaker and his wife. A gunman attacked the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention headquarters in August, killing a police officer.
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Oh, and the Colorado school shooting: Two students in critical condition. A mother at the scene:
“I think if I’m being honest with myself, I always knew it was ‘When, not if?’”
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Oh, and back to Utah: It’s an open carry state, colleges included, and it’s so routine to see people carrying guns that I doubt the killer – even if his AK 47 or whatever was slung in front of his chest – attracted much interest.
Killing field cities are full of… certain… bars… Bars that do everything they can (you should look at their advertising!) to attract extremely stupid, jumpy, armed, people. The MO is to pack them in very very tightly, make them drunk and high, make them bump into each other (Fuck you for bumping into me BANG), make them fight for the prossies, make them, you know, fight. In the bar world, fighting without a firearm is like a day without sunshine, so mass shooting’s guaranteed.
So now here’s a tussle in Cleveland where a fight at or near one of the skeezy bars shot up six people, three of whom might die. The mayor’s pissed, embarrassed, whatever, and has not only closed the bar in question, but boarded it up. The owner is definitely pissed, and swears all the bullet holes were elsewhere.
The problem is that this person is only thirteen years old, living with parents who haven’t bothered to enroll him in school, much less stop supplying him with weaponry. The juvenile justice system is hopeless with thirteen year olds who are already hardened criminals. It will fuss therapeutically with him during his brief incarceration (assuming he gets any jail time at all) and then release him to the very same degenerate parents.
He’s so breathtakingly young! Many decades of gun massacres ahead of him.
… gun range suicide. Nobody’s paying much attention, but GRS’s (as UD calls them) are becoming a social fact, a thing. Range owners are of course aware of the deepening problem, but what can they do? Shooting ranges HAND you a gun, babe, and it don’t get no better than that if you want to die. Just pick up the firearm and point. No at-home trauma for your family. No need even to pay for a gun.
We have oodles of suicides in this country, with some states (Montana, Wyoming) veritable self-killing fields. And these tend to be the same states with shooting ranges on every street corner. Watch as the GRS phenom becomes A Major Social Problem.
Nevada is in crisis amid a catastrophic statewide freeze on gun sales due to a cyberattack. Two weeks on, the still-unresolved shutdown has The Silver State seeing red, with one state senator calling it “the worst disaster I’ve seen here since the 2018 Martin Fire.”
Inadequate fire power has kept so many Nevadans sheltered at home that schools across the state have shuttered, and mental health professionals report an increase in psychiatric holds as the situation overwhelms more and more people. “I thought it’d be a day or two and they’d fix it,” said Gladys Spangler of Eureka. “Two weeks later I’m like what in God’s name am I supposed to do?”
“Let us spray.”
Although gun dealers have urged patience, hundreds of thousands of citizens are becoming more and more militant. In the highest-profile response, believers all over the state now spend Sundays jammed into megachurches, where pastors hand out surplus pistols to parishioners and lead so-called Packing Prayers, in which worshippers shoot the guns upward while chanting Lord hear our recoil.
- Zen Lounge – 5316 Washington Ave
- Bar 5306 – 5306 Washington Ave Ste C
- XO – 5023 Washington Ave
- Lincoln Bar – 5110 Washington Ave
- Luxx – 5002 Washington Ave
You wanna lop off some of the country’s gun crime, you shut down the clubs. Clubs are where fuckwits with Glocks get drunk, start fights (usually over the club girls), and pull out weapons. And babe, it happens ALL THE TIME. Almost every Saturday, fuckwits and Glocks, Glocks and fuckwits.
Note that in Houston (see above list of now-shut clubs) most of it happens in Fuckwit Central, Washington Avenue. The folks who actually live around there have dreamt for years of a life without bullet holes in their bassinets. (Why isn’t supergross, supergunny Lounge 33 on the Houston closure list?) (Oh, okay. Already closed.) And wa-a-a-a-ll the mayor’s been doin this and been doin that but ain’t nothing changed see and who knows why maybe they don’t want federal troops but now they’re actually doing something.
Much of the crime has been associated with nightlife. Houston Mayor John Whitmire (D) last month announced the formation of a “club unit” of the Houston Police Department designated to target bars and clubs with citations.
His effort resulted in five club closures in a three-day period…
That’s so not enough closures, but, because the clubs represent a large and influential subculture, no city’s gonna have the balls to really get rid of them. They’ll shut them for awhile and then pretend to believe the bullshit the club tells them about new superduper hightech security (leaving open the question why an entertainment venue needs anti-terror level security) and reopen them. They’ll let them reopen under new names. And of course as to the guns — it’s Texas, folks! The more the merrier.
Tannerite, an explosive that goes boom – big boom – when hit by a high-velocity bullet, is part of the fun at a gun range near a housing development.
He is one tough son of a bitch; but what do you want? He’s a southern sheriff! Blythewood SC’s lawman, Leon Lott says, “It is legal for people to shoot guns on private property, but [I] draw the line when homes are being hit by bullets.” All over a nearby residential neighborhood, bullets shot by some dude and his friends at a homemade gun range are piercing walls and chairs and tables and NOT people yet, but hold on jest a bit and they’ll kill some kid playing outside.