← Previous Post: | Next Post:

 

Listening to Angell

Misdeeds — from hiding study results to paying off doctors — have made Big Pharma an inviting and, frankly, an appropriate target… Antidepressants have something like celebrity status; exposing them makes headlines.

It’s not that anti-depressants have celebrity status; it’s that more Americans take them than almost any other drug. Americans of all ages, including very little children. They make headlines because they are – I and many other observers believe – massively over-prescribed.

Peter Kramer’s missing the point here, in other words. As a result, his effort, in tomorrow’s New York Times, to defend anti-depressants against Marcia Angell, Irving Kirsch, and a range of other scientists who’ve argued that they achieve only a slightly better outcome than placebos, has a vague, irrelevant feel. He complains about the limitations of the studies Angell and Kirsch cite, but these limitations aren’t particularly significant, and the studies he cites have their own limitations.

Kramer insists, for instance, that anti-depressants seem to work for “social unease.” He does not ask whether social unease is something we should think of as needing treatment. Treatment with powerful brain-altering chemicals, chemicals that have significant side effects. He does not ask what we should do about a culture in which wall-to-wall happy pill television commercials make socially uneasy people demand anti-depressant medication.

Instead, Kramer points out that “data bearing on the question is messy.” Yes, it is. But increasingly the data points toward remarkably little effect, for many of the people taking them, from anti-depressants. To say this is not to be a headline-grabber. On the contrary, it is to express a concern about the well-being of one’s fellow Americans.

*********************************

Lacking an empirical basis for his claim that anti-depressants deserve to be given to masses of people, Kramer turns to scare tactics.

[I]t is dangerous for the press to hammer away at the theme that antidepressants are placebos. They’re not. To give the impression that they are is to cause needless suffering.

No one says anti-depressants are placebos. Would that they were. People getting bad side effects from anti-depressants would be far safer taking placebos. What people are increasingly saying — and shame on the press for reporting it! — is that when it comes to lifting depression, these pills are pretty much the same as placebos. For most people, they don’t seem to do squat.

**************************

Felix Salmon also notices the remarkably vague, not-really-there feel of Kramer’s article.

Margaret Soltan, July 9, 2011 7:48PM
Posted in: march of science

Trackback URL for this post:
https://www.margaretsoltan.com/wp-trackback.php?p=31456

7 Responses to “Listening to Angell”

  1. Culture Contrast « Clarissa's Blog Says:

    […] of drugs have to be defended. Because, apparently, not enough people are hooked on the junk. Here is a brilliant post by University Diaries analyzing this intellectually dishonest […]

  2. Bernard Carroll Says:

    I said my piece yesterday so I won’t repeat it here.
    http://www.margaretsoltan.com/?p=31441

  3. Kevin Nasky Says:

    “He does not ask whether social unease is something we should think of as needing treatment.”

    It’s not up to you, or society at large for that matter, to determine whether “social unease” or any other mental health malady should be treated. Rather, it’s a decision made between patient and doctor. If the patient’s “social unease” is impairing or causing marked distress, then the condition is worthy of treatment. If the patient is apprised of the risks, benefits and alternatives to [insert evil medication], and expresses understanding and consent, then why should society cry out against that?

    I offer depressed patients three general options:

    1. Meds
    2. Therapy
    3. Meds + Thereapy

    Guess what the majority opt for? Hint: It’s not therapy alone. Anyway, I know that psychiatry and its unholy relationship (at least academic psychiatry’s unholy relationship) with pharma has brought a lot of appropriate criticism. And of course, the debate over the definition of mental illness has gone on for hundreds of years, and I suspect will go on for hundreds more. In the meantime, those of us at the front lines are still pressed to find solutions to their patients’ travails, and antidepressants still remain an effective tool in helping our patients reclaim their lives.

  4. Margaret Soltan Says:

    Kevin Nasky:

    Actually, it is up to me – it’s a primary responsibility of mine as a citizen – to determine as best I can what social unease means, and whether I and my fellow Americans should be medicated for it. As a doctor dealing with a spectrum of complaints from suicidal despair to social unease, you know little more than I, or anyone else who bothers to inform herself, about the empirical bases, if any, underlying these complaints. Nor do you know much more than informed laymen do about chemicals or placebos that might lessen the complaints.

    From Daniel Carlat’s book, Unhinged:

    “Our diagnoses are subjective and expandable, and we have few rational reasons for choosing one treatment over another.” “Our diagnostic process is shallow.” “We know so little about the underlying neurobiology of … causes that our treatments are often a series of trials and errors.” “Psychiatry has yet to develop a convincing explanation for the pathophysiology of any illness at all.” “I have no idea how Lexapro works to relieve depression, nor does any other psychiatrist.” “To a remarkable degree, our choice of medications is subjective, even random. Perhaps your psychiatrist is in a Lexapro mood this morning, because he was just visited by an attractive Lexapro drug rep.” “When psychiatrists start using what I call neurobabble, beware, because we rarely know what we are talking about. … Using these words makes [the] illness seem more biological… But few laypeople realize how little we actually know about the underpinnings of these disorders.”

    Since those of you on the front lines have done nothing to lessen depression rates in this country, and since there’s plenty of evidence you’re overprescribing antidepressants for many of your complainants, your There, there, little lady, I’ll take care of it. argument fails. If more Americans regarded the dispensing of antidepressants and anti-psychotics skeptically, we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in.

    I know that there are many cases in which antidepressants – or their placebo effect – help your patients reclaim their lives. There are many, many more cases, I believe, in which psychotropics take over people’s lives in a very bad way. That there are commercial interests making billions of dollars off of this situation is disgusting.

  5. MattF Says:

    Felix Salmon (!) on antidepressants:

    http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/07/11/the-antidepressant-debate/#comments

    Salmon has a phenomenal talent for writing clearly about complicated subjects, you can see here that it’s a talent that comes from working at it.

  6. Margaret Soltan Says:

    MattF: Thank you so much for the link to Salmon’ s piece. I’ll put the link in my post.

  7. University Diaries » Will it make any difference that tonight 60 Minutes will air… Says:

    […] New York Review of Books was also, I guess, explosive… But so far that essay prompted only a flaccid little response from Peter Kramer in the New York Times. We’ve heard nothing from the companies that make billions […]

Comment on this Entry

UD REVIEWED

Dr. Bernard Carroll, known as the "conscience of psychiatry," contributed to various blogs, including Margaret Soltan's University Diaries, for which he sometimes wrote limericks under the name Adam.
New York Times

George Washington University English professor Margaret Soltan writes a blog called University Diaries, in which she decries the Twilight Zone-ish state our holy land’s institutes of higher ed find themselves in these days.
The Electron Pencil

It’s [UD's] intellectual honesty that makes her blog required reading.
Professor Mondo

There's always something delightful and thought intriguing to be found at Margaret Soltan's no-holds-barred, firebrand tinged blog about university life.
AcademicPub

You can get your RDA of academic liars, cheats, and greedy frauds at University Diaries. All disciplines, plus athletics.
truffula, commenting at Historiann

Margaret Soltan at University Diaries blogs superbly and tirelessly about [university sports] corruption.
Dagblog

University Diaries. Hosted by Margaret Soltan, professor of English at George Washington University. Boy is she pissed — mostly about athletics and funding, the usual scandals — but also about distance learning and diploma mills. She likes poems too. And she sings.
Dissent: The Blog

[UD belittles] Mrs. Palin's degree in communications from the University of Idaho...
The Wall Street Journal

Professor Margaret Soltan, blogging at University Diaries... provide[s] an important voice that challenges the status quo.
Lee Skallerup Bessette, Inside Higher Education

[University Diaries offers] the kind of attention to detail in the use of language that makes reading worthwhile.
Sean Dorrance Kelly, Harvard University

Margaret Soltan's ire is a national treasure.
Roland Greene, Stanford University

The irrepressibly to-the-point Margaret Soltan...
Carlat Psychiatry Blog

Margaret Soltan, whose blog lords it over the rest of ours like a benevolent tyrant...
Perplexed with Narrow Passages

Margaret Soltan is no fan of college sports and her diatribes on the subject can be condescending and annoying. But she makes a good point here...
Outside the Beltway

From Margaret Soltan's excellent coverage of the Bernard Madoff scandal comes this tip...
Money Law

University Diaries offers a long-running, focused, and extremely effective critique of the university as we know it.
Anthony Grafton, American Historical Association

The inimitable Margaret Soltan is, as usual, worth reading. ...
Medical Humanities Blog

I awake this morning to find that the excellent Margaret Soltan has linked here and thereby singlehandedly given [this blog] its heaviest traffic...
Ducks and Drakes

As Margaret Soltan, one of the best academic bloggers, points out, pressure is mounting ...
The Bitch Girls

Many of us bloggers worry that we don’t post enough to keep people’s interest: Margaret Soltan posts every day, and I more or less thought she was the gold standard.
Tenured Radical

University Diaries by Margaret Soltan is one of the best windows onto US university life that I know.
Mary Beard, A Don's Life

[University Diaries offers] a broad sense of what's going on in education today, framed by a passionate and knowledgeable reporter.
More magazine, Canada

If deity were an elected office, I would quit my job to get her on the ballot.
Notes of a Neophyte

Archives

Categories