“You can either go down in history as a patriot,” Mr. Trump told [Pence], according to two people briefed on the conversation, “or you can go down in history as a pussy.”

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“We’re very lucky that the vice president isn’t a maniac,” said Joe Grogan, Mr. Trump’s domestic policy adviser until last year.

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The stuff just keeps coming.

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5 Responses to “I dunno… I guess I just want to say that if you enjoy reading … striking language, these are halcyon days.”

  1. factcheck Says:

    pence for the peace prize then?

  2. Margaret Soltan Says:

    Pence for total oblivion, inshallah.

  3. Matt McKeon Says:

    Pence is the hero of this shrieking psycho drama? Truly we live in an age of wonders.

  4. Margaret Soltan Says:

    Matt: I like to think of the obscene abuse Pence – by all accounts a very pious and genuine born-again Christian – has suffered all these years from Fuckface – culminating with the “pussy” remark. Can you imagine what else Ff has subjected the guy to?

    Apparently the last fervent pro-Trump holdout in this country – despite even the treason and murder – is precisely the evangelicals Pence represents. So yes. Truly we live in an age of wonders.

  5. Gordon Young Says:

    If you go with Trump’s nomenclature – repugnant sexual synecdoche – perhaps he’s sorta right, with a 180 degree rotation of meaning, which the words do bear. Then Pence wimped out by NOT invoking the 25th, for whatever it is worth. It is important to note that doing the right thing would not have made Pence a patriot, though. It would just somewhat mitigate his culpability for acts and omissions while in the biggest crime family in U.S. history. It is important also to remember that the impeachment process can go on while the President is in Limbo 25. This would reduce the possibility that Trump could pardon his mob at the Capitol, pending impeachment or the natural end of his term. My strong guess is that the pardon power would not be read to allow pardoning a President’s accomplices in a serious crime (or allow a self-pardon). But years of law professoring makes it clear to me that one never knows when legal words will be read in a way that is just nuts – and often that is a literal and absolute reading. So any argument on Pence’s part that things are in hand disregards the possibility that Trump could do damage with the pardon and other powers in a matter of minutes. In my view a pardon of the rioters is improbable because it is just strong further indication of Trump’s intentions in making his speech and in delaying police and military protection. Any good lawyer (I’m ruling out a few you could easily name) would tell him it strengthens any criminal case against him for sedition etc. But I would not bet on any particular outcome of Trump’s mental processes, especially under this pressure.

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